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By: Gay rights - Beast Toast

Gay rights - Beast Toast — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:44:38 +0000

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By: Kay Batson

Kay Batson — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:13:53 +0000

Hi, i have a gay uncle, sister, many gay friends and i myself am bisexual. I don’t believe in God and have a hard time with the fact that bigots such as Kyle Allen using their religion to dominate the rest of the world. If they say that homosexuality is not natural, then why get glasses their not natural. According to some we are the bottom of the zest pool and are going to hell, how are they to tell me im going to hell because i choose to love differently then they do. I wonder if they may be afraid of their own sexual identity and shun the openly gay community so they wont be tempted to give it a whirl. Any way its not their place to tell me whats right and whats not and i cant help who i fall in love with be it a man, or a woman. I have no discrimination against anyone with the exception of bigots like Kyle Allen. Thank You.

By: Brian

Brian — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:34:53 +0000

@ Mike: “I’m a Viet Nam Veteran, a 9/11 Ground Zero Survivor and a Lover and Partner of almost 29 years with my partner, Joey.”

Wow! I salute you and your partner.

“Why the blazes would we want to be hated, ousted, persecuted, denied rights, harassed and murdered out of choice?”

Exactly.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:31:45 +0000

Dear people, if you want to know just how far some self-righteous right-wing Christians are willing to go, just pull up the web site: “HOMOSEXUALITY IN GOD’S EYES”. This is a real eye-opener to those who “Use the Bible as a Weapon of Mass Damnation”.
I did not wake up one day and decide to be gay, any more than I opted to be white or left-handed. For me it was a “Natural”choice” are so very wrong. Why the blazes would we want to be hated, ousted, persecuted, denied rights, harassed and murdered out of choice? Oh, we can change, of course. We can also sprout wings and fly.
I’m a Viet Nam Veteran, a 9/11 Ground Zero Survivor and a Lover and Partner of almost 29 years with my partner, Joey.
That much was a choice.
Using the Bible to insult, defame, harass, degrade and abuse is also a choice and it seems like far too many have chosen to do so. After us, who will these hate-mongers turn on ? While they’re pointing the finger of blame at us, three are pointing right back at them. Jesus did not come to save the righteous, he came for the sinners - us !!
One more point. The Christian church is responsible for countless millions who were hunted down and put to death during the past 2,000 years. Few institutions on earth can make that claim. Right off the bat, as soon as Christianity became the state religion of Rome, they started “weeding out” undesirables by sword, fire and other devices of murder. Rivers of blood from Christians.
“Clean up your own act first, Christians !!

By: Brian

Brian — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:16:41 +0000

@ Charlene: Your research paper sounds very interesting and I would love to read it when you’re done. Will you be posting it online?

Kudos to you for being so open-minded and compassionate!

By: Charlene

Charlene — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:21:46 +0000

I came across this website because I am writing a 10 page research paper on gay marriage for school. I am totally for it. I believe that same sex marriages should be legalized.Everyone deserves to spend the rest of their lives with the person they love..so what if you are the same sex. I came across kyle’s comment and here is what I have to say:
You are absolutely disgusting,how can you be so closed minded? For someone who uses the words in the bible to express so much hatred is someone who needs to re-evaluate their beliefs. It is because of people like you that gays and lesbians are afraid to express themselves. Low lives like you who get off on making other people feel like sh*t..you are probably the most ignorant person I have ever came across in my 17 years of living. The world is not going to stop reproducing because of gays and lesbians moron. Not everyone is homosexual. How uneducated are you? Reading your comment makes me want to legalize gay marriage even more..to show you that your words towards gays and lesbians don’t mean sh*t and that you are not going to bring anyone down. And yes I am straight and very happy with my boyfriend but I have a sister who is bisexual and your words offended me as much as they would her. But it is okay because you mean nothing.

By: Brian

Brian — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:01:38 +0000

@ Wendy: I’m pretty sure he was serious, but he was probably just seeking a reaction. It just goes with the territory, I guess.

By: Wendy

Wendy — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:34:39 +0000

Okay, it’s December and this was posted in August so I’m really-really late here. But I have to say that when I read Kyle’s comment just now I actually laughed out loud because I thought — seriously thought — that it was a joke. But as I read it and I realized it was not written by a friend of yours and there was no punch line coming, I was horrified, really effing horrified. What a royal drag, Brian, to be the target such ignorant, scary people. I did love your response to him, though, and your opening sentence made me laugh again. It’s just too bad you’ve had to become savvy at handling scary morons.

By: Brian

Brian — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:13:08 +0000

@ Paul: Excellent, excellent comment.

How do you differentiate between “special rights” and “equal rights”.

That’s a great question and one not easily answered. The people that are usually making statements about us wanting “special rights” are typically those who oppose us having any rights, so arguing with them is often pointless. Anyone should be a able to see that we currently have less rights than our American counterparts.

All I know for us to do is to keep expressing our desire to partake in things like marriage and adoption, while explaining why they are so important to us. Once people start to see that we want them for the same reasons that they do, they’ll start to see that there’s nothing to be afraid of.

Thanks for stopping by!

By: Paul

Paul — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:03:16 +0000

Brian,

I got hooked on your blog today while doing research on Ron Paul’s views on homosexuality. I find the discussions posted on both threads very insightful and thought out.

I have a problem wrapping my head around people’s perception of Constitutional Law and how it applies today. Jestercal and others who share his view trumpet the US Constitution as the be-and-end all of the debate.

Let’s go to Webster’s

” amendment: 1: the act of amending : correction ”
” correction: 3 a: something substituted in place of what is wrong”

The last I checked the Constitution has been “corrected” twenty seven times. That’s a lot of white-out for something that someone falls back on to reinforce their prejudices or biases. The Founding Fathers that Jestercel hates letting down so much were slave-owning, snuff snorting, misogynists. To believe that we should be forever bound by their moral relativism is to be no better than those of the religious persuasion that follow their textual documents to the letter. They wrote a profoundly important document and we should be greatful; but we shouldn’t be lazy and assume that what applied hundreds of years ago still holds sway today.

Words are written by fallible humans. Does anyone espouse that we all live our lives by a 17th century medical journal? Of course not, because experience and science have progressed to allow a higher quality of life.

My question to you Brian is this: How do you differentiate between “special rights” and “equal rights”. Often when I stand up for my equal rights, I am accused of asking for special rights. Married people accuse me of attacking “their marriage”. Families with wonderful children blast me for even thinking about trying to adopt any of my own. Why is it so hard for people to realize I am not for gay hiring quotas when all I want is to not be fired for going home to my boyfriend at the end of a long days work?

And this applies more to the other thread but Jestercel makes a similar point that needs addressed. There seems to be a growing swell trying to redefine government as only at the federal level. If we only gave all the power to the states the utopian society we all crave would “poof” into being. Do you know where the Senators and Congressmen come from? Do you know that our executive branch has been made up of former governors? If you are not happy with government at a federal level why do people keep tossing their coins in the state wishing well? “Meet the new boss…..same as the old boss.”